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> > Err, it does have something to do with it. You made the assertion
>> that no-one would spend money replacing a system rather than upgrade
>> it. Two of us now have pointed out that real world PHB do exactly
>> that sort of thing - and this issue with clamav getting the kill
>> switch can be just the sort of excuse they need. It may not be a
>> valid reason, but then so many business decisions are based on having
> > enough excuses to do what you want rather than doing what would
>> logically be right. As Giampaolo comments, some people (especially
>> PHBs) simply see it as "that Linux stuff blew up, best go with
>> Microsoft like everyone else".
>The two who have "pointed out that real world PHB do exactly that sort
>of thing" now are operating broken systems. So much for credibility.
There you are again - that attitude is rubbing people up the wrong
way and not helping. May I point out that my system was working fine
until fed sour data ? Your analogy would be like saying that a car is
broken if someone put sugar in the tank, and it would be all the
owners fault as long as the vandal (it's claimed) told them in
advance to fit a sugar filter.
> > Fortunately that's not the case where I am - this box replaced an
>> iMail server running on NT4 which was forever crashing and getting
>> used for spamming. No-one on the engineering or support teams mourned
>> it's loss ! But equally, if it wasn't for the licence costs,
>> management would still be happier with a Microsoft 'solution'.
>NT is ancient history. Why you would even mention it is beyond me,
>although it might be interesting to know when they actually did get
>around to swapping it out. Then again, maybe I don't want to know.
Yet guess what, NT is still in use in many places (and it's why MS
bought Connectix so they could rebrand their virtualisation software
and sell it to customers so they could run their NT systems on newer
systems). There are many reasons for using old software - in fact I
have a PC down in the garage that still runs DOS/Windows3. In that
case, it's an embedded system and it really, really wouldn't be worth
trying to touch it - only to scrap it and buy another machine. We've
got customers running similarly old software because that's what the
package works with - and it would be horrendously expensive to
upgrade (in many cases meaning scrapping the machine it runs).
Another server I run is also not updated. In this case, not only
would I have to fix any issues related to the server itself - but I'd
also risk breaking any of the customer sites it runs. Just before it
was handed to me, the guy that built it did some updates - and then
handed it over with an "oops, can you fix it" yes I've had a security
issue with it, but that was a config issue. If customers want to
upgrade - I move them to a newer server.
What I'm trying to get through is that there are valid reasons for
not running the very latest bleeding edge stuff. I agree that with
something like Clamav there aren't that many show stoppers, but you
come across as having the attitude that old versions should simply
cease to exist and anyone running then is automatically an idiot.
It would be nice to have a job where all I have to do is run a few
servers - and I have all the time I need to update them (and fix them
when the update breaks it*), but I have a real world job where that
isn't the case.
* BTW - thinking back, I've had more things break from updates, than
I have had problems from not updating. In that respect, even with
this issue, it's not been too bad a return from the policy decisions
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