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On 10/1/2011 7:07 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 17:58 -0400, David wrote:
>> On 10/1/2011 5:39 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 06:12, Marko Vojinovic<firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>> As a natural consequence, Linux is a priori not designed for
>>>> noobs and newbies who do not want to learn.
>>> I think this is a problem.
>>> When I started using Linux back in 1999 (Caldera OpenLinux before the
>>> SCO fiasco, fwiw(, I expected the user-friendliness to eventually
>>> improve. It did not. But my expectations were not related to myself,
>>> but thinking about friends and family I wanted to convert to Linux.
>>> Back in the OS/2 Warp days, IBM also thought "SYS 3175" was an OK
>>> error message and that end users didn' t need more human-friendly
>>> error messages.
>>> PS: Just including aliases for common Windows commands the users are
>>> expected to find would have helped a lot of newcomers, but actually
>>> the general concensus seems to be "this is Linux, it's not designed to
>>> please Windows users, windows users should learn Linux and how it
>>> works, instead".
>> This is not meant as a Flame War starter. But...
>> I agree with you. Grandma and grandpa, mom and dad. Billy and Bobbie can
>> go to a store and actually buy a computer, in boxes, come home and
>> connect the pieces and *it just works*. *Everything just works*. Then
>> along comes a Linux Guru friend and he replaces their OS. And suddenly
>> things get complicated. And things stop working. Unless they get some
>> strange file from some man that lives in a cellar in some country with a
>> really odd name. Or perhaps things work but not quite as well.
>> As much as *I* like Linux it will never become a common desktop until
>> that happens. Until it *just works*. IMO of course.
> I wholeheartedly disagree.
> Apple has never tried to make a Macintosh emulate or substitute for
> Windows. Yes, they do implement methods to accommodate a Windows based
> network schema and data interchange but so does Linux (in fact, I think
> Linux does a better job of it).
> A computer and its underlying OS stands on its own... based on its own
> usability and merits.
> Specifically, I worked at a company that had bought 2 batches of
> different computers from the same manufacturer (memory says it was Acer
> but it may have been Asus). Anyway, one of them only had support (ie,
> driver downloads) for Windows XP and the other for Vista+ (Vista or
> Windows 7). We wanted to swap hard drives from type of box to the
> other... that wasn't going to work. A single image... forgetaboutit. Of
> course Linux would have been able to run on either one without breaking
> a sweat.
> Then there's the absurd notions that seems to permeate some people's
> thinking is that it is useful, important, necessary or even possible to
> supplant Windows with Linux. That isn't the point of Linux, not the
> mission of Fedora and thus the thinking would by all indications seem
> out of bounds except to those who wish it were so.
> A few years ago, I switched a non-profit corp over to Fedora (starting
> w/ FC6) and they made the transition fairly easily and I would suggest
> for the most part, they were casual computer users and the more
> knowledgeable users transitioned rather quickly. For the most part, it
> only required a little guidance on where there files were stored and
> what the applications were named and where to find them.
> Adults didn't intrinsically know how to use Windows - they bought books
> or watched someone or spent time playing around and thus whatever
> knowledge of Windows that they possess is leveraged already when moving
> to Macintosh or Linux.
> Fedora out of the box just works as well as Windows would work except no
> one really has that opportunity since all of those computers out of the
> box boot Windows so to actually get an out of the box experience for
> Linux requires an initial hurdle (actually I think Dell sells some
> rather pricey workstations with Ubuntu pre-installed but I don't know
> anyone that has purchased them).
Fedora 'out of the box' works for me too. But then I don't use laptops
and they seem to be a major source of problem(s). From what I read on
various lists. And I avoid Dell like a contagious infection (ducks under
desk) because I see many with problems.
Those were the 'users' I was referring to above. Now when Linux will
really, really do stuff, like Windows games for example, then we just
might get the 'average person' to switch to Linux. Tux Racer is *not* a
real game BTW. :-)
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