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Re: [Full-disclosure] [WEB SECURITY] noise about full-width encoding bypass?

From: Amit Klein <aksecurity_at_nospam>
Date: Wed May 23 2007 - 11:27:17 GMT
To: "Arian J. Evans" <arian.evans@anachronic.com>


Arian J. Evans wrote:
>
> On 5/22/07, *Amit Klein* <aksecurity@gmail.com
> <mailto:aksecurity@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Fair enough. Still, I expect at least the websecurity mailing list to
> give credit where credit is due...
>
>
> Hmm, good point, No argument, but...as we see more of this
> character encoding set awareness I wonder:
>
> 1. Where do you draw the line on what is "new"?
>

The way I see it, and I think it addresses the rest of your points (in your original email) is that the researcher should attempt to find the most similar/relevant prior art, and then discuss how (if at all...) his/her findings differ. This provides the public with: - Acknowledgment (and credit) of prior art - Explanation of what is "really" new

So if say the web-app-sec researcher applies techniques from the AV world to the web-app-sec world, he/she should credit the AV prior-art, and explain that those techniques are applied in the paper to the web-app-sec world, with the twists X, Y and Z. Or you can say something like: In this research I combine evasion techniques A (credit to...), B (credit to...) and C (credit to...) to bypass system X.

By subscribing to this scheme, the author makes it much easier to evaluate his/her paper. The author does most of the work (finding prior art, comparing their findings to prior art), and the readers judge whether this is new enough/interesting.

As for research in non-English languages - that's where *I* draw the line. I assume that everyone can (and should) read English nowadays, and I do not expect anyone to be aware of non-English prior art. However, if such prior art becomes known to the author, it's his/her duty to credit the authors of such text, of course.

-Amit



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